I recently got into a scrap at Pandagon for mentioning the sting on an Indiana Planned Parenthood where a college student posed as a 13-year-old seeking an abortion for her pregnancy by a 31-year-old boyfriend. I can't link to that site because Amanda threw a temper tantrum and banned me, but just go to www.pandagon.net and you'll find it.
The interesting part of the discussion was how many people were more concerned with ensuring that a seventh grader kill her baby than with the fact that the child had been abused. The argument was that it was ok for the man to take the child across state lines to avoid Indiana's parental notification law because it was her choice.
Had I continued commenting, I would have asked about this interesting logic, that a 13-year-old gets to make her own medical decisions without parental involvement. The notion was absolutely shocking to me, and made me wonder if these people had children.
But the more important thing about that discussion is that it shows how people who support abortion are simply impervious to logic. It doesn't matter to them how illogical the situation is, a woman should always be able to get an abortion.
This view is even more extreme than that bestowed upon us by Roe v. Wade. Roe recognized that there was a time during pregnancy when a baby's right to live superceded the right of a woman to bodily integrity (the final trimester). The trimester system is gone, but concern for the baby's right to life remains. But don't tell that to any of the Pandagonistas, because their extremist view will cause them to bring out the long knives quickly.
It looks like Alan Colmes and Amanda Marcotte operate from the same playbook with regards to abortion. Amanda's extremist view justifies lying about crisis pregnancy centers, pro-lifers, Christians, and anyone who has actually had children. And when none of that doesn't work, she'll change the subject. Alan Colmes works the same way:
Alan Colmes didn't like my commentary about his rope-a-dope during Hannity & Colmes last week of Kristan Hawkins and Sarah Hardin of Students for Life for their undercover sting of a NC Planned Parenthood.
Sarah posed as a 15-year-old requesting birth control to sleep with her 30 something-year-old "boy"friend. PP should have reported this to authorities but didn't.
Colmes always tries to derail interviews with adversaries one of 2 ways, by accusing them of hypocrisy or putting them on the defensive about something off-point. Cheap and intellectually void....
Colmes tried but failed to take Kristan and Sarah off-topic by questioning their choice of sting. But they were on to Colmes and kept reorienting the conversation: Multiple PPs in many states now have a well-documented video history of demonstrating intent to cover up minor rapes.
Abortion supporters have to use obfuscation and demagoguery because the truth isn't on their side. When faced with the facts that Planned Parenthood lies to avoid parental notification laws and encourages rapists to take their minor victims across state lines for illegal abortions, they will argue that the greater good of abortion makes lying permissible or that the parents are so evil and brutal that avoiding them is most important.
For abortion supporters, there are no loving parents whose primary concern is the well-being of their children. There are only incestuous molesters and woman-haters. Such stereotyping allows them not to consider how such subterfuge affects the parent-child relationship or that the trauma can be lifelong. Talk about short-sighted.
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